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PostSubject: Abortion: For Or Against?   Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:35 pm

So here's a real debate to get people thinking. Are you for or against abortion?

Personally, I am strongly against. People should take the responsibility it takes to ensure if they aren't ready, a life won't be brought in. I understand there are situations where this doesn't directly apply, but there is still adoption. So what are your thoughts on it?
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:41 pm

My thoughts is that for future sake better not abort but rather just give the baby to adoption but the mother must let the baby know who she is.

Becos I heard that abortion if done incorrectly can cause infertility.

I think all in all its the fault of both genders.

But in a society where precocious puberty is rampant, I think this situation might get worse.

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:53 pm

Abortion is when a female gets pregnant and doesnt want the baby and like kills it with special medicine right?? Well i think the mother should take it as if the mother is stupid to have sex without safety then its her on fault and she carry the responsibilty and consequences of her action.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:04 pm

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Abortion is when a female gets pregnant and doesnt want the baby and like kills it with special medicine right?? Well i think the mother should take it as if the mother is stupid to have sex without safety then its her on fault and she carry the responsibilty and consequences of her action.

Not just medicine, they surgically remove the baby. Imagine the gore........

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:03 am

I don't want to get too deep into this, and so, I'll just say this.. this is not a black or white issue and has a rather large gray area.

Firstly, It isn't always a woman's choice to have sex. Rape victims don't choose to be raped and they don't choose to become pregnant as a result. It wasn't her choice to be raped and it wasn't her choice to get pregnant as a result. She should not be forced into carrying a child that she had no choice in conceiving.

Secondly, pregnancy is NOT always a choice. Prophylactics and contraceptives are NOT 100% effective. So even if a woman does everything she can to avoid pregnancy, she can still get pregnant. She used protection, and it failed. She did not choose for it to fail, and she did not choose to become pregnant as a result of the protection failing and the fact that she made the choice to use both to avoid pregnancy is an indication that she did NOT want to become pregnant in the first place. She should not be forced into carrying a child she went through such great, and expensive lengths to avoid.

Thirdly, there are women who have no choice but to terminate a pregnancy due to severe medical conditions. There are those instances where it would be harmful to the baby or the mother if she carries to term, or giving birth to the child will cause that child to undergo frequent, expensive, invasive and painful medical procedures to enable them to remain on life support to stay alive. If the humane thing to do would be to remove an adult in this situation off of life support to end their suffering, then it would be just as humane to terminate the pregnancy to avoid the baby from having to suffer like this as well.

That said, I am neither for, nor against abortion, I am pro-choice which means that I support a womans right to choose the option that is best for her, and not be FORCED into doing anything.. be it carrying it to term or terminating the pregnancy. I believe that it is a woman's body, and therefore her choice to do as she pleases. If the man who impregnated her is still around, then he has some say as well, but ultimately, the choice is, and should be hers. If he isn't around, especially if, he said he wanted nothing to do with it when notified, then he has no say at all. I think that a woman who used protection, be they contraceptives or prophylactics and it failed, (since she has shown that she didn't want to be pregnant, and took steps to prevent it) was raped, has a medical condition that will result in serious or fatal complications, or if it is dangerous in any other way (such as the father being physically abusive) should have the option moreso than some idiot who didn't use protection, and just didn't want a baby. I don't think that religious beliefs should be factor short of the woman being a devout follower.

Just because someone is pro-choice doesn't mean that they are going to go out and have an abortion if and when they find themselves in this situation. I have been in this situation. Both the protection we used, and the birth control pill failed. I thought about having an abortion, but I knew that I would not be able to handle the guilt from it and decided against it. I had a miscarriage a few days later.

Do I think that everyone should be able to have an abortion?

No I don't. I don't think that those who had unprotected sex and didn't care about the risks should be able to have an abortion, just because they don't want a baby. That goes double for the teens out here who disobey their parents and decide that they are grown enough to have sex, but then turn around and decide to run to mommy and daddy for help. You can't sit up and decide that you are adult enough to have sex, and then want to be a child when you don't want the consequences.

But, at the very least, I'd rather someone who didn't want a baby having an abortion than having to hear about their child being found in a dumpster, or landfill, or having to hear about a child being abused and killed by their foster parents. If adoption was such a viable solution, then you would not have so many kids in foster homes, and you wouldn't have homicide or (emotional, mental, physical, and/or sexual) abuse cases of children who were abused by their foster parents. If it were such a viable solution, then there would be no kids in the foster homes except those having overseas adoptions.

Not only that, we can't assume that just because a child is adopted, that they will grow up to lead have happy lives. You can't assume that they won't figure out that they are different from those in their family and won't ask questions, and you can't assume that learning the truth won't have a negative effect on them. Much like we can't assume that a pregnant woman who is pro-choice will happily skip down to the clinic, get scraped, and happily skip out. Any woman that I have spoken to that had one has never gotten over it, even though they have children today, and realize that they made the best decision they could back then.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:02 pm

I just read your reply and you made me realise its not always there fault i guess. But if the baby's born and it suffers i agree that you should end its suffering and abort it.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:19 pm

What about men then don't they have a responsibility as well?

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:21 pm

Yes they do but some men are selfish and if they get the women pregnant they just leave the women to struggle at lifting something that needs the power of two in order to achieve its goal height.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:22 pm

Tales wrote:
What about men then don't they have a responsibility as well?

Yes, and I believe I covered that in my response, if the man is still around, then he has some say as well, but if he, does such as my ex boyfriend (of 1 year, but I knew him for 2 years before we dated) did, decides to break up with you and tell you that "since you aren't together anymore that it is not their problem" when you do the right thing by telling him, then he relinquishes his right to say anything. If he wants nothing to do with you or the child, then he has no right to say anything further than that. You had already did your part by telling him, now it is time for you to make the decision that is best for you. I mean, why should a woman in this situation have to chase down a man who had already said that he wanted nothing to do with her and the child? She already has enough to worry about already. Yes the guy has some responsibility as well, but guys don't always accept responsibility, especially where there is a child involved.

When I told my ex, I hadn't even decided anything or weighed my options. I just told him because I thought that it was the right thing to do at the time, and when he responded by breaking up with me and refusing to talk to me, I decided that since he broke up with me, and wanted nothing to do with me, that I would never speak to him again since it was no longer his business. A few days later, when I had a miscarriage, it was after I had decided against abortion. I decided that I would not tell him, and he found out through my best friend.. and he tried calling me and when I refused to take his calls, he started showing up at my job apologizing and begging me to take him back. I accepted his apology, but I never took him back.

Now, on the flip side, if the guy says that he doesn't want a child and isn't ready for it, and for whatever reason, cannot support one, and suggests that the woman terminate the pregnancy, or consider adoption, and the mother decides against both and decides to keep the child and then go after him in court for support, then that is not fair to him, at all. Especially in situations where the protection they both used had failed. Then I believe that he should be able to sign something to protect himself, as it would be fairly obvious that the woman may be trying to trap him.

Otherwise, if she can afford to take care of the child, herself, then she would not need to go after him for support especially after he had said that he doesn't want, or isn't ready for a child. There are plenty of influential men, mainly athletes and other celebrities who have to take extra precaution, just because there are women out there who are looking to take advantage of them. These women have been known to steal the condoms that were used, and then inject themselves with the semen via turkey baster so that she could get pregnant and then be entitled to financial support for her and the child from the celebrity. This is why there are athletes who resort to putting tabasco sauce in the condom after it was used to prevent that from happening, and get revenge on the women doing this at the same time.

Now, in cases where the father is still around, as in you are in a relationship with him, and he still wants to be around, then he has rights and say as well.. but ultimately, the decision is still hers. The father can take her to court to prevent an abortion, and I believe (and I'm not sure so don't quote me on this) that depending on the state, once the child is born, he can still take the mother to court for support even if she said that she didn't want the child from the start. I wouldn't think it is fair that the father do this to the mother, just like I wouldn't think it would be fair that the mother still try to take the father to court for child support after he had stated that he didn't want a child.

In this case, I would definitely be in favor of some sort of legal document that prevents this from happening, and at the same time, prevents the person who didn't want the child, from changing their mind and attempting to claim it. Such as, in instances where the custodial parent is wealthy, and the child is to inherit a substantial portion of the deceased parent's estate. This way they cannot get their rights back, once they've signed them away. The only way there would be a chance of this happening would be, the death of the custodial parent, and there is no spouse, or family member willing to take care of the child. In this case, there would only be financial support for the child, and no support for the parent who initially signed away their parental rights. They would only be given enough to take care of the child and not a dime extra.


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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:29 pm

I see....

But I think this issue of abortion is one of greys, blacks or white.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion: For Or Against?   Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:23 pm

Whoa, BA has alot to say about this - i think this helps for him to later become a parent maybe Razz
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